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freddie
09-12-2006, 05:53 AM
If you track your collection using our list, here is one of the features that you can make use of:

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Gonzaleznut
09-12-2006, 08:41 PM
So how do other members start using the collection tracker?

freddie
09-12-2006, 09:01 PM
When you go to the collections, choose a year and you should see an "Edit" link next to where it says how many cards were found, example:

Juan Gonzalez Cards - 1 card(s) found - [Edit]

Click that edit link and the page will refresh with a + and - next to each card. You double click on those icons to increase/decrease a card. If you have any issues let me know.

freddie
09-13-2006, 03:21 PM
You can now view other member's collections from the main collecting screen. I will add an option to each collector's profile so that they can choose to keep their collection private. It is open for all to view at the moment though.

Guests:
http://juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org/images/threads/guest.png

Members
http://juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org/images/threads/member.png

freddie
09-13-2006, 03:33 PM
That option has now been added to your profile. If you want to make your collection private go to http://juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org/profile.php?do=editprofile and select 'Yes' for keep collection private. Others can still see your total number of cards but they can not see what your actual cards are.

Gonzaleznut
09-14-2006, 02:52 AM
I want to know if you can provide a total value for a collection based on teh Beckett prices you have listed. I should simply be a matter of summing the # of cards x hi beckett price. Let me know.

freddie
09-14-2006, 05:51 AM
Yeah I can do that but it will be way under with all of the N/A values.

freddie
09-14-2006, 06:07 AM
Ok values added.

Gonzaleznut
09-14-2006, 02:18 PM
I know it would not be perfect because of all of the cards not priced, but it could still give an idea of the value for the mainstream cards.

freddie
09-14-2006, 04:38 PM
I've broken down the values for each year so take a look on the main collecting page.

Gonzaleznut
09-14-2006, 05:27 PM
I saw it. It looks great. I am very impressed. I hope that more collectors take advantage of the tool you have provided them.

freddie
09-14-2006, 05:30 PM
I saw it. It looks great. I am very impressed. I hope that more collectors take advantage of the tool you have provided them.
Thanks, it is only going to get better as I have time to implement more features.

Gonzaleznut
09-15-2006, 05:04 PM
Well Freddie, What do you think about my collection? I have got them all catalogued now on your list.

freddie
09-15-2006, 05:21 PM
Impressive, though I think you still need to fill in the Star Rookie Guild and Star The Future sets since I broke them down to individual cards.

You should invest in a scanner so that when I get the image option for the card list going, you can contribute images for the list.

Another helpful task would be to save nice images from eBay auctions for inclusion on the list.

Gonzaleznut
09-15-2006, 05:22 PM
You can take any images you want from my "Rare Cards Gallery" on my page that you want. Most of them were saved from eBay auctions.

Gonzaleznut
09-15-2006, 05:24 PM
I got my Star cards added.

freddie
09-15-2006, 05:29 PM
I got my Star cards added.
You mean I have something that you don't? The Star promo and prototype cards?

Gonzaleznut
09-15-2006, 05:36 PM
I guess so.

freddie
09-15-2006, 05:39 PM
I guess so.
I got all of those cards from the guy that was featured as the Juan Gonzalez super collector in Beckett.

Gonzaleznut
09-15-2006, 09:21 PM
I remember seeing that Beckett and thinking how much I would like to be that guy. He has emailed me recently wanting to sell off his collection. He has also been selling a lot of cards on eBay lately.

I am very good friends with Rob (nosterbor on eBay). He lives in Florida and has the most incredible Juan collection in terms of total volume of Juan cards. He has over 35,000 total cards all in top loaders and in order. He stores them in 5000 count boxes.

To give you an idea, he has 65 of the 2005 Prime Patches Major League Material Autographed card.

I went down to his house last year and we just looked at Juans for 4 days. We did some trading and cataloging of his collection. It was awesome.

I have also met with Chris (mcabee1 on eBay) a couple of times to compare collections. I have bought some stuff from him before. His collection is also very impressive. He has almost every card up to 1996 except the Williams Autos.

Needless to say, there are some cool guys out there who collect Juan.

freddie
09-15-2006, 09:30 PM
I remember seeing that Beckett and thinking how much I would like to be that guy. He has emailed me recently wanting to sell off his collection. He has also been selling a lot of cards on eBay lately.Hmm I thought the guy in Beckett had sold off his collection long ago as it must have been 5+ years now that I bought the Star cards from him. I also bought the poster that is in the background of the picture in the article. Do you know which beckett that he is in offhand?

I am very good friends with Rob (nosterbor on eBay). He lives in Florida and has the most incredible Juan collection in terms of total volume of Juan cards. He has over 35,000 total cards all in top loaders and in order. He stores them in 5000 count boxes.

To give you an idea, he has 65 of the 2005 Prime Patches Major League Material Autographed card. Yes I've noticed that he seems intent on buying every copy of that card that comes on eBay. I can't fathom why that is but I'm sure he has his reasons.

I have also met with Chris (mcabee1 on eBay) a couple of times to compare collections. I have bought some stuff from him before. His collection is also very impressive. He has almost every card up to 1996 except the Williams Autos. Yes I've dealt with Chris a few times over the past ten years as well.

The person who has helped me out the most over the years is Jonas, jttl1. At the time, he seemed to know the most about every Juan Gonzalez card and provided me with numerable scans to point out variations. He also knew which cards were actually very rare but sold for pennies when they appeared (such as some of the TOPPS A/B/C/D type cards). I've lost contact with him in the last few years and don't see him on eBay any longer.

freddie
09-30-2006, 04:21 PM
Another update.

I've implemented a preliminary chnage that will now allow you to see who has extra cards that you need and who needs a card that you have extras of.

When viewing the list, if a row highlights in YELLOW then someone on the list needs that card and you have extras of it. If a row highlights in BLUE, then you need that card and someone on the list has extras of it.

You still have to click on the card to see who though. Let me know if you notice anything going on funny with this change.

freddie
09-30-2006, 04:22 PM
For example, this card shows up in yellow for me:

1995 Topps Cyber Season in Review (http://juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org/pictures.php?cardid=486)

When I view it, I see that Gonzaleznut doesn't have a copy, whereas I have two.

For this to work best, you of course have to enter all of your extras. It is a long process but I am working on entering mine.

Gonzaleznut
09-30-2006, 04:59 PM
I like that idea. Too bad I don't have any extra cards. I just shipped all of my doubles to nosterbor.

freddie
09-30-2006, 07:19 PM
I like that idea. Too bad I don't have any extra cards. I just shipped all of my doubles to nosterbor.Does he just want to amass as many Juan cards as possible?

Once I get all of my doubles input, I'll see who can use any and ship them out to you guys.

Perhaps this newest feature will convince more Juan collectors to join and take part in this endeavor. I'm sure some don't see it as a competition and would like to take part.

Gonzaleznut
09-30-2006, 08:46 PM
Does he just want to amass as many Juan cards as possible?


I guess. He is actually a pretty great guy. He just moved so he hasn't been able to get on here much because he only has dial up for now in his new house. As soon as he gets high speed he will probably add his collection and you won't believe it.

He has well over 30,000 total cards. He has over 3,200 different. He specializes in the low numbered cards. He might have 10-15 of a card numbered to 19 or 25. One of his big goals is to have the entire print run for a card. That would be incredible.

The 2005 Prime Patches MLB Materials Auto card is pretty common. He has 75 of them.

Gonzaleznut
09-30-2006, 08:48 PM
Once I get all of my doubles input, I'll see who can use any and ship them out to you guys.


That would be great. I think it is great when fellow collectors can help each other out.

A few years ago Jonas really helped me a ton by sending me some doubles. He sent me some really great stuff. I really appreciated that. If you are reading Jonas, thanks!!

Gonzaleznut
09-30-2006, 08:50 PM
Perhaps this newest feature will convince more Juan collectors to join and take part in this endeavor. I'm sure some don't see it as a competition and would like to take part.

Again, I am still surprised that more haven't started helping. Do you realize Freddie that we have to upload almost 10,000 images if we want a scan of every card front and back. That is a monumental undertaking.

By the way, I am thinking about getting a scanner just so I can scan in my cards to this site.

freddie
09-30-2006, 11:01 PM
A scanner helps alot but when I said "take part", I just meant it would be nice if others tracked their cards as well so we could see who has what and more easily help each other. I don't expect anyone to devote a lot of time to adding pictures so I am very grateful to anyone who does.

Gonzaleznut
09-30-2006, 11:43 PM
I have already added probably 300 pictures by searching ebay and other places on the web.

Gonzaleznut
10-01-2006, 12:12 AM
I don't think the collections are working right. When I try to go look at Jonas's cards by year to see what he has it just pulls up my collection. What gives?

freddie
10-01-2006, 01:02 AM
I don't think the collections are working right. When I try to go look at Jonas's cards by year to see what he has it just pulls up my collection. What gives?
Try it now.

jjt111
10-01-2006, 06:17 AM
Thanks for the kind words guys. We all need each other for it to be done correctly. I seen on Mike's site that Jacob(juan19) said he had a complete list he would share with him. Without alot of feedback from others I really doubt that it is even close to complete. I bought cards from Chris(Mcabee1) at beckett buy/sell as early as 1998 and spent alot of time working with Dan(2725) on ebay doing 98 and 99. Just a note that he has "all" cards from 87 - 96 except 3 that I'm aware of. He has all the Ted cards! Great family guy as well!
To get a complete list with or without pictures will be a tough goal for any group of collectors. Scanners are a must to show examples on difficult versions like those damn 99 Prism cards. Lets "get er done" when ever we can spare the time!
Jonas

jjt111
10-01-2006, 06:56 AM
Mike's list has all these and more but your list here should get these on.

2000 4 Fleer Focus Focal Points Striking (http://www.juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org/pictures.php?cardid=2098) is numbered to 50.
2000 420 Pacific Copper (http://www.juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org/pictures.php?cardid=2129) numbered to 99
2000 420 Pacific Platinum Blue (http://www.juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org/pictures.php?cardid=2158) to 75
2000 103 Pacific Crown Collection Premiere Date (http://www.juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org/pictures.php?cardid=2136) to 27
2000 103 Pacific Crown Collection Holographic Purple (http://www.juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org/pictures.php?cardid=2131) to 199
2000 55 Pacific Invincible Platinum Blue (http://www.juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org/pictures.php?cardid=2149) to 67
2000 55 Pacific Invincible Holographic Purple (http://www.juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org/pictures.php?cardid=2145) to 299
2000 51 Pacific Omega Platinum Blue (http://www.juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org/pictures.php?cardid=2155) to 55
2000 51 Pacific Omega Copper (http://www.juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org/pictures.php?cardid=2152) to 45

There is no 2000 Topps Tek gold on list. There are 20 of them numbered to 10.

Jonas

freddie
10-01-2006, 08:13 AM
I've only got up to 1999 in adding all of the serial numbers so that explains why 2000 is missing some.

I have also found a few cards that have numbers that aren't marked on Mike's list. Don't recall which, but I did add them to the list here.

freddie
10-01-2006, 07:18 PM
There is no 2000 Topps Tek gold on list. There are 20 of them numbered to 10.Fixed

Gonzaleznut
10-03-2006, 01:42 PM
I have several scans from Chris (mcabee1). Some of them are of cards you don't have on the list including the prototypes for the 98 Donruss cards (xxx/). What do you want me to do with them?

Gonzaleznut
10-03-2006, 02:29 PM
Go look at the 1998 Studio Masterstrokes Pics and you will see the back of one of the prototypes (xxx/)

freddie
10-03-2006, 03:02 PM
You can just attach them to a post right here and you can also list all of the cards and I can more easily add them, including those without scans.

Gonzaleznut
10-03-2006, 03:17 PM
Check your email...I just sent you one.

freddie
10-03-2006, 03:43 PM
(when I have time) I am going to add something to the list so you can designate a card as "in the mail" so that you can identify those cards that you don't have but also don't need to purchase any longer.

jjt111
10-03-2006, 05:12 PM
I'm not that smart when it comes to computer internet stuff. Some days I can get into 1998 - 1999 years to update but most of the time I get this when I try to edit those years >

Page cannot be found

The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.Please try the following:
If you typed the page address in the Address bar, make sure that it is spelled correctly.
Open the www.juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org (http://www.juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org/) home page, and then look for links to the information you want.
Click the Back (javascript:history.back(1)) button to try another link.Problem: Unknown Error -1.

freddie
10-03-2006, 05:16 PM
Must be too much data for your browser. You can try a different browser, I suggest firefox (http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/)

I'll try to add a page feature today so that all of the year's data isn't displayed on one page, which should also rectify the problem for you.

jjt111
10-03-2006, 05:20 PM
I'll try Firefox...Thanks!

jjt111
10-03-2006, 06:32 PM
Seems to be a little better. I'm in for now anyway. Thanks

I got a 1999 Pacific card marked on front Power Elite - home run heroes. On back it is card #15 of 16 HRH. What am I missing that I can't find it on the list?:confused:

Thanks,
Jonas

Gonzaleznut
10-03-2006, 06:44 PM
Look under the "H's" It is call Home Run Heroes. It was a joint set put out by the major card companies. Juan's card just happens to be made by Pacific.

Gonzaleznut
10-03-2006, 06:44 PM
Must be too much data for your browser. You can try a different browser, I suggest firefox (http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/)

I'll try to add a page feature today so that all of the year's data isn't displayed on one page, which should also rectify the problem for you.

I like having the entire year on one page. Please don't change it.

freddie
10-03-2006, 07:13 PM
I like having the entire year on one page. Please don't change it.
It would be optional of course.

If you have a single card to update or check, the quickest way is to enter the card number or part of the name in the card search form. If the card has a number like R9, try R9 and then just 9 if R9 has no results.

jjt111
10-03-2006, 11:12 PM
Working good now. Putting the cards in the search method is much faster.

Thanks again,
Jonas

Gonzaleznut
10-10-2006, 02:47 PM
I like having the value of one's collection. However, I think it would be more accurate if it took into account multiples of a card. For example, if I have 3 of a $6 card then that should show as $18 of value.

Is it possible to do that Freddie?

freddie
10-10-2006, 03:23 PM
I like having the value of one's collection. However, I think it would be more accurate if it took into account multiples of a card. For example, if I have 3 of a $6 card then that should show as $18 of value.

Is it possible to do that Freddie?
Yes, I can do just about anything with the list given the time and inclination to do it.

Gonzaleznut
10-10-2006, 04:42 PM
Are you going to do it?

freddie
10-10-2006, 06:43 PM
Yes, I had already expected such a request to be made by those with extras listed.

jjt111
10-10-2006, 11:03 PM
Honestly I never noticed that there was a value attached to the collection. When Beckett values 98 Topps Tek Defractors at .40 – 1.00 and you’d be willing to pay 10 times that along with part of your collection being valued at “NA”, why acknowledge the collection value. Beckett is a great tool to use along with others sources to determine a card value but never a collection value. I have over 100 cards valued at “NA” that adds a total of zero to my valued collection according to Beckett. I just paid 200 for a Juan signed Ted Williams 151 card that will add what to my collection dollar? As every Juan collected has seen, your return on investment will be in the red and I certainly don’t care to see how red that has become the past several years. But adding a multiple card dollar won’t hurt I guess or even assigning a generic low – high value to cards that Beckett hasn’t valued. Any info that collectors can use to motivate them to collect is a value. Just know that your collection cost you much more and is probably valued at much less.

Just an opinion,
Jonas

freddie
10-10-2006, 11:12 PM
Defractors are at a $1.00 because I forgot to change the value when I input those cards. Beckett doesn't list those cards.

200 for a Juan signed Ted Williams 151 cardWhere did you find this?

jjt111
10-11-2006, 12:29 AM
Pure luck my friend! When the Ted card came up on ebay I placed a bid as soon I seen it and pushed it up in price. I did that because I expected to be outbid at the end with someone who just has more money. But I wanted everyone that sells cards to see the value of those cards with the hope of additional sellers. I got lucky enough that someone contacted me and said they had one of those cards and asked if I would purchase it. Needless to say it is now in the mail and on it's way! I'll scan it with my scanner once I get back from vacation on the 23rd. They both should be here by then waiting.

Jonas

jjt111
10-11-2006, 12:46 AM
Defractors are at a $1.00 because I forgot to change the value when I input those cards. Beckett doesn't list those cards.

Shit, :eek: now I'm going to lose the $18 for the 18 cards that I'm sure I paid about $600 for.;) But I really thought that was a keying error to begin with.

Why didn't you bid on the 97 mirror gold 142 card? $11 is cheap for a 97 card that has a reported 30 card print run. Hell, I almost went higher just to remove it from circulation.

Jonas

freddie
10-11-2006, 01:26 AM
I didn't know it was only limited to 30. The select cards have the print runs on the list but the certified cards don't.

freddie
10-11-2006, 01:48 AM
Someone want to list the print runs for the 97 pinnacle cards so we can update the list?

Gonzaleznut
10-11-2006, 01:54 AM
I see those mirror golds way too often to be only limited to 30.

jjt111
10-11-2006, 02:07 AM
I would have to agree that there are more then 30. The certified certified Mirror Gold is noted as being printed to 30. The Mirror Blacks had to be like 1 of 1's as I never see them listed for any player and haven't seen two graded of the same player on any population reports.

Any thoughts?
Jonas

Gonzaleznut
10-11-2006, 02:18 AM
I would have to agree that there are more then 30. The certified certified Mirror Gold is noted as being printed to 30. The Mirror Blacks had to be like 1 of 1's as I never see them listed for any player and haven't seen two graded of the same player on any population reports.

Any thoughts?
Jonas

I agree about the golds and the blacks. Likely 1 of 1s.

jjt111
10-11-2006, 02:29 AM
Do either of you have the " Standard catalog of baseball cards" book? Mine got thrown out by the wife as it took too much room in the book case. Might have to get one from amazon.com to get some info.

Jonas

jjt111
10-11-2006, 05:16 AM
A question for Fred. Where did you get the picture of the 93 Pinnacle cooperstown promo? That's a pretty rare card!

Jonas

Gonzaleznut
10-11-2006, 02:46 PM
Do either of you have the " Standard catalog of baseball cards" book? Mine got thrown out by the wife as it took too much room in the book case. Might have to get one from amazon.com to get some info.

Jonas

No, I don't have one, but I looked it up on amazon.com and you can pick up the 2006 version pretty cheap.

Gonzaleznut
10-11-2006, 02:47 PM
A question for Fred. Where did you get the picture of the 93 Pinnacle cooperstown promo? That's a pretty rare card!

Jonas


Actually, I had that picture and posted it here. I don't remember where I got it. I have had it for a long time.

jjt111
10-11-2006, 05:04 PM
I know of two people that have em and one of them is thinking about selling his. I was just trying to get a possible print run figure on how many Juan cards there are. I expect the price to be out of my league.

Jonas