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jjt111
11-10-2006, 02:24 AM
1997 Mother Cookies #3

jjt111
11-10-2006, 02:28 AM
1996 LineUp Venezuelan Basball #300, 311 and 324.

jjt111
11-10-2006, 02:33 AM
1997 Strat-O-Matic

freddie
11-10-2006, 02:44 AM
Look under "Rangers Mothers" for the first. The Lineup cards are under 1995.

freddie
11-10-2006, 02:49 PM
1997 Strat-O-Matic
Added

Gonzaleznut
11-10-2006, 02:53 PM
1996 LineUp Venezuelan Basball #300, 311 and 324.

Jonas...Do you have any extras of these???

jjt111
11-16-2006, 06:16 AM
No extras as I had to buy a set to get those.

Here is a card I spent a weeks worth of mad money to get a few years ago.

Fleer Vintage '63 Classic - promo 000/63

Gonzaleznut
06-01-2007, 09:39 PM
Do we need to add this? I am waiting on it to arrive. Does anyone know what year it is? I had never seen it before.

http://i17.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/a2/8f/b37a_1.JPG

knr47
06-13-2007, 09:14 PM
Not sure if this should be added as an error, but it's kind of interesting. Ebay auction #330134058778 - Juan's name on a 2001 Upper Deck hockey player's card?

jjt111
06-14-2007, 04:02 AM
I would only add if you or another collector has it in his collection. Why would someone sell those cards in groups of nine? Makes little sense to me.

Jonas

jjt111
06-16-2007, 03:20 AM
1999 finest red TF4 ~ if you look at the picture, the refractor is unnumbered. Now I need to get one that is numbered to 50 like they should be.

jjt111
06-16-2007, 03:28 AM
Front and Back of the 1998 & 1999 APBA cards

Gonzaleznut
06-17-2007, 02:12 AM
I think this should be added to the list.

http://i14.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/a3/00/a4bf_1_b.JPG

jjt111
06-17-2007, 06:04 AM
me too

freddie
06-18-2007, 06:32 PM
If you have things to add then tell me what you can about it so I don't have to do any work.

Card # / Year / Manufaturer / Title / Description (error, etc)

Make it easy for me to just insert in painlessly.

jjt111
06-19-2007, 12:56 AM
The above card is

2003 Playoff Portraits GREEN Parallel Card Of Juan Gonzalez #37

The Card Is From A Trading Card Show Called The All Star Fanfest That Took Place In 2004

It is unnumbered but should have a print run of 5 or less as that is what was done for the other variations in color for other shows

Jonas

freddie
06-21-2007, 01:35 AM
The above card is

2003 Playoff Portraits GREEN Parallel Card Of Juan Gonzalez #37

The Card Is From A Trading Card Show Called The All Star Fanfest That Took Place In 2004

It is unnumbered but should have a print run of 5 or less as that is what was done for the other variations in color for other shows

Jonas
Card Added

http://juangonzalez.vintagegaming.org/pictures.php?cardid=95584

freddie
06-21-2007, 01:39 AM
No extras as I had to buy a set to get those.

Here is a card I spent a weeks worth of mad money to get a few years ago.

Fleer Vintage '63 Classic - promo 000/63Added

freddie
06-21-2007, 01:40 AM
1999 finest red TF4 ~ if you look at the picture, the refractor is unnumbered. Now I need to get one that is numbered to 50 like they should be.
Added

freddie
06-21-2007, 01:40 AM
Front and Back of the 1998 & 1999 APBA cards
Added

Gonzaleznut
06-21-2007, 01:55 AM
Thanks Freddie. What about the 2003 Playoff Portraits Green card?

freddie
06-21-2007, 05:28 AM
Thanks Freddie. What about the 2003 Playoff Portraits Green card?
You missed it, look again at my responses.

jjt111
06-23-2007, 02:51 AM
An addition,

Cards # 144 2002 Absolute Memorabilia Spectrum Chicago National

Gonzaleznut
06-23-2007, 02:28 PM
An addition,

Cards # 144 2002 Absolute Memorabilia Spectrum Chicago National


I have that card too.

jjt111
06-26-2007, 12:57 AM
I sure hope additions aren't alot a trouble for Freddie. He has done well adding them when asked but it seems to be an endless task. Since I'm closing in on 80% of all years in the 90's I'm starting to purchase a little heavy in the next decade. I see that card manufactures made cards just for shows and not like 2000 and before when they just stamped an existing card. I have several I'll scan and add to this string. I might send a bunch out to be graded as I think that is how they get added to their lists. As not all the convention cards are listed in Beckett for Juan.

Jonas

freddie
06-26-2007, 03:06 AM
Yeah they released specific show cards but I don't think you'll find Juan has all that many since after 2003 he didn't interest them.

freddie
06-26-2007, 04:52 PM
An addition,

Cards # 144 2002 Absolute Memorabilia Spectrum Chicago National
Card Added

jjt111
06-27-2007, 01:01 AM
Another addition :(

#30 2002 Donruss Originals Gamers Sample

freddie
06-27-2007, 03:24 PM
Another addition :(

#30 2002 Donruss Originals Gamers Sample
Added

jjt111
06-30-2007, 12:14 AM
A nutter!

2002 #157 Donruss Best of the Club Chicago National /5

jjt111
06-30-2007, 12:26 AM
and a nutter

2002 #114 Donruss Elite Status Chicago National /5

jjt111
06-30-2007, 12:34 AM
And again!

2002 #71 Diamond King Chicago National /5

jjt111
06-30-2007, 12:39 AM
yup another

2002 #71 Diamond King Bronze Foil Chicago National /5

Kinda cool, even the /5 is in bronze.

jjt111
06-30-2007, 12:52 AM
last one for now

2002 #199 Studio Chicago National /5

Gonzaleznut
06-30-2007, 12:54 AM
last one for now

2002 #199 Studio Chicago National /5

I have that one too.

jjt111
06-30-2007, 12:59 AM
Oh yea, let me be the bad guy and request all the additions!

Gonzaleznut
06-30-2007, 01:05 AM
I will make it up to you by adding some more pics. I am redoing the 2003 Fleer section. Somehow the pictures were removed.

jjt111
06-30-2007, 01:27 AM
Good, I'm going to start collecting those along with 2004 - 2006.

But your head of the class 78% of the year 2000 is still my top challange year for 2007.

Jonas

freddie
06-30-2007, 02:24 AM
I added the cards but not the pictures.

Gonzaleznut
06-30-2007, 02:34 AM
Good, I'm going to start collecting those along with 2004 - 2006.

But your head of the class 78% of the year 2000 is still my top challange year for 2007.

Jonas


Thanks. It is getting so hard to have a high completion percentage with any year after 1999 because of the vast number of low serial-numbered cards. It is really impossible to get more than 75% of any year.

Gonzaleznut
07-02-2007, 06:17 PM
But your head of the class 78% of the year 2000 is still my top challange year for 2007.

Jonas


I figured out, Jonas, that if you take out the 16 one of one's in 2000 then together we have 90% of the cards in 2000. Pretty cool.

jzk_ksy
07-04-2007, 01:08 AM
I just came across something pretty unique...I've got the packet that Topps sent to dealers(I think) about the release of the 1998 series one product that features Juan on the cover and inside it has a 8" by 40" poster that is titled own the game should it be added?I'll try to upload some pics later....

KEVIN

jjt111
07-04-2007, 01:16 AM
8" X 40" wow...... long poster.

jzk_ksy
07-04-2007, 01:21 AM
Its actually almost like a magazine pullout...kinda like 4 8 by 10's but no staple holesthe folder is pretty cool to has Juan on front and Clemente on back...also contains a 8 by 10 page that has a pic of juan and everything that you can find in the 1998 topps series one...

Kevin

Gonzaleznut
07-04-2007, 03:11 AM
I have it too. It goes great right above a door.

jzk_ksy
07-05-2007, 01:13 AM
Here are the pics that I promised....think it should be added?

jzk_ksy
07-09-2007, 12:18 PM
Any opinions on whether or not the folder and poster for the 1998 series one topps should get added?.I think it is pretty unique and Mike also says he has it too...

Kevin

Gonzaleznut
07-09-2007, 12:23 PM
Any opinions on whether or not the folder and poster for the 1998 series one topps should get added?.I think it is pretty unique and Mike also says he has it too...

Kevin

I don't think it should be added and I will tell you why...Posters and magazines are a completely different category of collectible. Freddie had once said that he was going to divide the mainstream cards, etc. from the oddball stuff out there.

Until that happens I think that we should keep this kind of "print" stuff separate.

It is still a great item though Kevin.

jzk_ksy
07-09-2007, 02:44 PM
I'm ok either way..I just think it should be added as it is from a card company...we have the 1995 micro stars stars listed(which I also have) and is neither a card or from a card company...I do agree we can't list everything as there are pennants,posters,bobbleheads,slu's(which are listed),mags,pens,cups, and so much more...but I feel anything from a card company should be listed...

Kevin

jjt111
07-12-2007, 03:23 AM
It's a fine line and one I'm glad I don't have to make the call on. There is just too many things out there. Once we cover what it on the list with a picture and someone has it maybe we can open things up. Here is something I think is cool I got a while back from 2002..... I think.

Kevin.... your card count has passed mine:( Congrats!:D

jjt111
07-12-2007, 03:44 AM
But this needs to be added

#37 2003 Playoff Portraits Red Altantic City Show

http://www.vintagegaming.org/juangonzalez/attachment.php?attachmentid=215&d=1183247467

http://www.vintagegaming.org/juangonzalez/attachment.php?attachmentid=216&d=1183247467

freddie
07-13-2007, 05:17 PM
It's a fine line and one I'm glad I don't have to make the call on. There is just too many things out there. Once we cover what it on the list with a picture and someone has it maybe we can open things up. Here is something I think is cool I got a while back from 2002..... I think.

Kevin.... your card count has passed mine:( Congrats!:D
Jonas, you should be able to shoot back past Kevin with the box of cards that I sent you.

freddie
07-13-2007, 05:18 PM
But this needs to be added

#37 2003 Playoff Portraits Red Altantic City Show

http://www.vintagegaming.org/juangonzalez/attachment.php?attachmentid=215&d=1183247467

http://www.vintagegaming.org/juangonzalez/attachment.php?attachmentid=216&d=1183247467
Card added, someone else please update the pictures.

knr47
07-16-2007, 10:56 PM
Here's one: 1997 Pinnacle Press Plate Previews C5 Cardfrontations.

Gonzaleznut
07-17-2007, 12:40 AM
Another addition.

I know it is 1991, but it doesn't have a brand or number on it.

freddie
07-17-2007, 02:07 AM
Another addition.

I know it is 1991, but it doesn't have a brand or number on it.
Is that a magazine card?

jjt111
07-17-2007, 02:11 AM
I have it but I think we will need Akar's help for the label. I see it is on his list maybe he'll know more.

Help us again Akar!

jjt111
07-17-2007, 02:14 AM
Here's one: 1997 Pinnacle Press Plate Previews C5 Cardfrontations.

Don't know how you did it but that is a great find!

Gonzaleznut
07-19-2007, 01:35 AM
Here is another card to add. Jonas, you are going to love this.

2003 Donruss Elite Status Atlantic City National #73 1/1

jjt111
07-19-2007, 01:40 AM
You guys that live in Texas have a huge advantage, I'm thinking. The closest shop from me is 20 miles and the first one that know of Juan is around 50 miles!
Come on, disclose your sources!

:)
Jonas

Gonzaleznut
07-19-2007, 02:18 AM
You guys that live in Texas have a huge advantage, I'm thinking. The closest shop from me is 20 miles and the first one that know of Juan is around 50 miles!
Come on, disclose your sources!

:)
Jonas

Actually, you would probably be surprised. I can't tell you the last time I bought a Juan card from a local card shop or show. It has been years!! There aren't any more good shops around here either.

I got that one of one from eBay Buy it Now for $34.95. Some collectors don't consider it a true 1/1, but I do.

jjt111
07-19-2007, 03:02 AM
It would have to be as it was made just for the show. Not like they pulled one off the line and embossed it like years past!

knr47
07-19-2007, 03:44 AM
You guys that live in Texas have a huge advantage, I'm thinking. The closest shop from me is 20 miles and the first one that know of Juan is around 50 miles!
Come on, disclose your sources!

I only live 2 miles from the Texas border, but that's certainly no advantage. The closest shop to me is 120 miles away, in Lubbock Tx, and he doesn't have any singles, only wax. The closest REAL card shop to me is 300+ miles away, in Albuquerque.

There's more than just ebay and Beckett, though. I got the Cardfrontations plate from the guy who runs pressplate.net, and there's also naxcom.com, sportscardforum.com, and bidville.com.

Gonzaleznut
07-19-2007, 03:48 AM
How much was that Press Plate??

jjt111
07-19-2007, 04:08 AM
Nice infor!

Got a new addition.

2003 #196 Studio Atlantic City National

knr47
07-19-2007, 04:16 AM
How much was that Press Plate??

Flame me if you want, but I gave him $150 for it. Yes, I know that is way more than it would be on ebay, but I tried to negotiate with him and found his asking price to be quite firm. That's also what he wants for his '97 New Pinnacle Interleague Encounter plate of Juan. I just really thought it would be a unique addition to my collection and had the extra cash, so I decided to splurge.

Gonzaleznut
07-19-2007, 04:31 AM
Flame me if you want, but I gave him $150 for it. Yes, I know that is way more than it would be on ebay, but I tried to negotiate with him and found his asking price to be quite firm. That's also what he wants for his '97 New Pinnacle Interleague Encounter plate of Juan. I just really thought it would be a unique addition to my collection and had the extra cash, so I decided to splurge.

That sound you hear is me choking...that is a lot for a press plate. Although I do have to say that it is an awesome item.

jjt111
07-19-2007, 04:54 AM
Just pure envy from me.

freddie
07-20-2007, 03:34 PM
Here's one: 1997 Pinnacle Press Plate Previews C5 Cardfrontations.
Cardfrontations Plate

Card added, needs pictures upload.

freddie
07-20-2007, 03:36 PM
Here is another card to add. Jonas, you are going to love this.

2003 Donruss Elite Status Atlantic City National #73 1/1
Card added, needs picture uploaded.

freddie
07-20-2007, 03:37 PM
Nice infor!

Got a new addition.

2003 #196 Studio Atlantic City National
Card added, needs pictures uploaded.

freddie
07-22-2007, 05:22 AM
No, adding that cards opens up a large can of worms.

nosterbor
07-22-2007, 04:49 PM
diddo!

Gonzaleznut
07-27-2007, 09:41 PM
We have added another card to 1998. The Collector's Choice card #245 actually has a variation with card #1. Everything else is the same. It might be a Rangers Team version??

jjt111
07-28-2007, 04:58 AM
When did that 1999 Stadium Club Photography stuff get put on the list. It's not on my mirror copy of this list?

That was a good catch on the 98 CC card if the only thing that is different is the number! Thanks for the update!

Gonzaleznut
07-28-2007, 05:03 AM
When did that 1999 Stadium Club Photography stuff get put on the list. It's not on my mirror copy of this list?

That was a good catch on the 98 CC card if the only thing that is different is the number! Thanks for the update!

The 1999 Stadium Club Photography is an 11 x 14 photo framed by Topps and sent to you if you gave them $19.95 back in '99.

P.S. There are two variations of the Redemption booklet that were inserted in packs with Juan and other players pictured on them. They have also been aded to the list.

As far as the 98 CC...ther is also a difference in the hologram on the back. One (#245) is a baseball infield and the other (#1) is a diamond.

jjt111
07-28-2007, 05:30 AM
Wow a whole bunch added. I had both #7 1998 Team Pinnacles. As nice as that log is I liked the additions going through this thread. No way do I have the time to go through every log entry to check for cards I need to be watching for. I will always feel a card should be presented to be entered before actual entered to the list. That way everyone will feel and have a valued opinion and voice.

jjt111
07-28-2007, 05:33 AM
All the CC of that year except the #245 regular and jumbo was diamond shape.

Gonzaleznut
07-28-2007, 06:55 AM
All the CC of that year except the #245 regular and jumbo was diamond shape.


You are right. I stand corrected on that point. The only difference is the card number.

freddie
07-28-2007, 03:21 PM
Wow a whole bunch added. I had both #7 1998 Team Pinnacles. As nice as that log is I liked the additions going through this thread. No way do I have the time to go through every log entry to check for cards I need to be watching for. I will always feel a card should be presented to be entered before actual entered to the list. That way everyone will feel and have a valued opinion and voice.
I agree, you should be discussing any additions to the list before adding them.

That stadium club stuff needs discussion. What is this stuff exactly and why does it belong on the list?

knr47
07-28-2007, 05:01 PM
Freddie,
I know you have mentioned creating an Oddball section for items that don't seem to belong on the list, and I have an idea about an easy way to do that, maybe. How about adding a "Miscellaneous" section to the list like it was another year? Then, we could move all the magnets, pins, posters, photographs, action figures, lunchboxes, etc. to that page and leave the 1987-2006 pages for just the mainstream, error, and promo cards. This way, the items under Miscellaneous would still count toward someone's total, but we could also see how many non-cards are part of someone's total. I think it would also curb the number of debates about whether items should be added to the list -- if it is not exactly a card, then it goes under Miscellaneous. I'm sure there are some negatives to this plan that I haven't thought of yet, but what do you think?

freddie
07-28-2007, 05:31 PM
I think I can make that work. Would just have to move the item's "Year" into the title fields as the actual Year as far as the list is concerned would be "Miscellaneous".

I'll see what I can do on Monday. With this, we wouldn't have as nearly as much disagreement as anything with Juan on it could just be stuck on the Misc list.

We could even have more than one Misc list if we want to define it even further. Any thoughts on that?

We could have a section just for other player's card that Juan appears on. What is the most of these that someone has?

jjt111
07-28-2007, 05:56 PM
We have all cards listed of course as they should be. But really they are not numbered to 1000 but they came in a set numbered to 1000, like the one I just scanned. I'm not saying the set should be entered as an addition. But somehow I think the scan should be added as I'm sure some collectors keep them in their original bag. Plus they know what they are looking at if they see it.

freddie
07-28-2007, 05:58 PM
Those used to be listed as a set and I would have no problem moving them back to being listed as set, with it including pictures of each card and the above picture.

jjt111
07-28-2007, 06:18 PM
I only have two cards that Juan appears in the picture of someone elses card.

But card errors is a section that might be of interest if it is a one and done not like the blank face cards that they made several of. But like the error card that is on ebay now. I doubt there is another the same way. As well as that Footlocker card of old that there has never been another exposed.

freddie
07-28-2007, 06:51 PM
What is the link to eBay for the error card?

I think it would be hard to draw the line between a certain type of error cards. How would we differentiate between an "error" card and a "variation" card?

Jonas, there are several error cards that only you or Akar has and have never been seen again. I had a few that I was the only one here who had, the 1998 Crown Royale Home Run Fever No Coating for example.

Personally, I would keep error and variation cards on the main list.

nosterbor
07-28-2007, 11:17 PM
the so called error card that is on ebay now is nothing of the sort. that card goes into the cat,of miss cuts,and over lap print cards.i opened a box of 90 fleer one time and all the cards in the box were cut sideways. i tossed them in the trash can!!!!!!!! this card is nothing more. not even in the same cat as a plank front-plank-back,wrong-front,wrong-back these are true errors. also if a card did not come out of a pack or a box or as a redemption it does not belong on this list at all. i.e the pins the book marks and such. come on the apba things dont even have his photo on it! its not a baseball card!!! its called baseball card collecting!

freddie
07-29-2007, 01:08 AM
the so called error card that is on ebay now is nothing of the sort. that card goes into the cat,of miss cuts,and over lap print cards.i opened a box of 90 fleer one time and all the cards in the box were cut sideways. i tossed them in the trash can!!!!!!!! this card is nothing more. not even in the same cat as a plank front-plank-back,wrong-front,wrong-back these are true errors. also if a card did not come out of a pack or a box or as a redemption it does not belong on this list at all. i.e the pins the book marks and such. come on the apba things dont even have his photo on it! its not a baseball card!!! its called baseball card collecting!
Well, we will soon have an oddball section on the list and I expect many of the things like APBA will be moved over there. It will make it easier for one to archive 100% for a particular year.

nosterbor
07-29-2007, 01:16 AM
outstanding!!!!!! awesome!!!!!!!!!

Gonzaleznut
07-29-2007, 02:52 AM
Ok...here is one man's opinion. The only items that should be on THE Juan Gonzalez list are cards or items issued by the baseball card manufacturers. If it was printed by them, then it sould be there...that is it...period. ALL other Juan items should be listed in the "Miscellaneous" category.

I think there will always be debate about which items are legit and which are not. I actually believe that to be a healthy part of collecting, but I consider this to be the definitive source for all things Juan. It is important that we deliniate between the "pure" Juan items and the "fringe" items.

jjt111
07-29-2007, 03:28 AM
Ok, now back to the Star - The Future set. If they are listed as they came in a set that would also mean the 1994 Sampler cards that came in a set of three of the same player and also the 1998 Pinnacle Inside Stand up guy samples that came in a bag of two cards. Maybe just a notation needs to be added of some sort.?!

knr47
07-29-2007, 07:23 AM
Ok, now back to the Star - The Future set. If they are listed as they came in a set that would also mean the 1994 Sampler cards that came in a set of three of the same player and also the 1998 Pinnacle Inside Stand up guy samples that came in a bag of two cards. Maybe just a notation needs to be added of some sort.?!

I think these should stay listed as individual cards, since some sets were broken up and someone might only have one card instead of the whole set. A notation about how they were packaged is a good idea, though, and would be enough help for anyone confused, IMO.

knr47
07-29-2007, 08:59 AM
Personally, I would keep error and variation cards on the main list.

I would too, but I agree with Rob that miscut cards are not true errors -- just cards in poor condition.

If an Oddball/Miscellaneous section is possible, we are still going to need some rules about what should be listed. I think this is partly what Rob is saying in his "things!" post in Chit Chat. If we don't limit additions to commercially produced collectibles and advertisements, we'll end up listing things like a tee shirt that some Puerto Rican kid wrote the #19 on in magic marker.

I also think that, like with the error cards, there will be controversy about whether some of the things currently on the main list should be moved to Oddball/Miscellaneous. For what it's worth, here is what I think should be done with some of the various items:

Errors and variations: Main List
Other players' cards with a Juan cameo: Oddball
ABPA, Strat-O-Matic, cards with no picture: Oddball
Press plates inserted into packs/cases: Main List
Press plates not inserted into packs/cases: Oddball
Stickers like Red Foley and Panini: Main List
Pins, magnets, posters: Oddball
Signed 1975 Pinto Wagons: Main List
Display items like the '99 Stadium Club Photograph, '01 Fleer Legacy Autographed Cap, and '02 Absolute Game Used Bonus: Oddball

The last group was the toughest decision for me. Since none of them are cards, I put them under Oddball; but since major card manufacturers made them available from packs, boxes, and/or redemption cards, I could see them belonging on the Main List too.

jjt111
07-29-2007, 04:23 PM
Now I got to go to Ebay motors to look for that pinto! The last group will get harder when you bring in the highland mint cards, tins and cans. But I agree if it needs a shelf or wall it's not a card. But then you have the coins and some have a card made just to hold the coin. That's tough! Those I'm undecided on as well as the back door press plates. The rest, I agree on.

Gonzaleznut
07-29-2007, 04:30 PM
I agree with points that everyone has made. Let's make it even simpler. If it can:

Fit in a binder (i.e. regular cards, 4x6 - 8x10s, coins, etc) and
Issued/printed by a legit card companythen it should be on the main list. Everything else constitutes as memorabilia and should be relegated to the "Miscellaneous" list. I hate to not have the Pinnacle cans, Donruss Tin Packs & Boxes, etc. on the main list, but we have to draw the line somewhere.

nosterbor
07-29-2007, 04:45 PM
cans and tins are not baseball cards and belong on the odd ball list. as for the pinnacle mint coins they go inside the reg cards and were inclueded in packs they belong on the list. any starting lineup that has a card goes on the list,and any pin that has a card in the package!! should be on the list. case in point action flats.the highland mint is a card!!! i hope you would not put an 04 sp all star patch in a binder AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

knr47
07-29-2007, 06:47 PM
I agree with points that everyone has made. Let's make it even simpler. If it can:
Fit in a binder (i.e. regular cards, 4x6 - 8x10s, coins, etc) and
Issued/printed by a legit card companythen it should be on the main list. Everything else constitutes as memorabilia and should be relegated to the "Miscellaneous" list. I hate to not have the Pinnacle cans, Donruss Tin Packs & Boxes, etc. on the main list, but we have to draw the line somewhere.

This sounds great to me -- very simple yet very functional. I suppose that it does allow backdoor press plates onto the main list, but I don't really have a problem with that. Theoretically, every card ever made does have a set of press plates, but they don't seem to be showing up in the market at a rate that is too hard to keep up with. I would also keep the Highland Mint cards on the main list.

jjt111
07-29-2007, 08:24 PM
Works for me.

freddie
07-29-2007, 10:24 PM
What about

1987
1988
1989
1990
1991
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
Oddball

OR

1987
1987 Odball
1988
1988 Odball
1989
1989 Oddball
1990
1990 Odball
1991

(and so on....)

nosterbor
07-29-2007, 10:30 PM
i would keep the odd ball list totaly sept.

Gonzaleznut
07-29-2007, 10:41 PM
First version.

jjt111
07-30-2007, 01:58 AM
I agree...... I doubt it will get in the 1000's so one page should be enough.

gonzologan
08-01-2007, 01:25 AM
im not sure what i have here it says carlos baerga celebrities softball game san juan, PR 1998



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gonzologan
08-01-2007, 01:29 AM
have any of you guys seen this one? i know its a printing error but not sure if anyone has one




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jjt111
08-01-2007, 01:38 AM
I was aware that they had the game in San Juan but wasn't aware that they had a stamp made up.

I don't have that printing error.

Bring up a good question about stamped cards. I never collected stamped cards as they were regular cards that someone brought or bought out of a package and then got stamped. Now 2001 - 2003 were made just for the shows and they are main stream cards. But should the others be treated as oddball cards or not listed at all like a personally signed card?

freddie
08-01-2007, 01:46 AM
I wouldn't list stamped cards at all, nor the stadium club printing error above.

Gonzaleznut
08-01-2007, 02:05 AM
I wouldn't list stamped cards at all, nor the stadium club printing error above.

I agree with Freddie.

jjt111
08-01-2007, 02:32 AM
I agree. But remember collectors, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be a prized part of your collection. I have some errors and such that are on my list along with autographed cards in my collection (the whole 91 rookie guild set - 11 cards autographed) that I prize but don't belong on this list!
Jonas

gonzologan
08-01-2007, 05:00 PM
i also have this auto poster is this going to go in the oddball list if so i would like to know what year it is ebay# 330151941251

Thanks
Tony
aka
gonzologan

freddie
08-01-2007, 05:57 PM
I'm not sure what to call it or what year it was released.

adelith
08-01-2007, 06:52 PM
Not sure if this should be added as an error, but it's kind of interesting. Ebay auction #330134058778 - Juan's name on a 2001 Upper Deck hockey player's card?

I bought it, is kind of interesting card.

freddie
08-01-2007, 07:18 PM
Welcome Roberto, are you going to grace our forum by listing your mighty collection? We need more competition for the top spot.

jjt111
08-01-2007, 11:28 PM
I had made an offer for just the Gonzalez card but it was declined automaticly but I certainly think the card needs to be listed in the oddball stuff as I'm sure it wasn't ran in production of any quantity.

Glad it ended up with a Juan collector.

freddie
08-01-2007, 11:33 PM
We don't have any printing error type cards in the oddball section. If the terry taylor type card, or the card that is overprinted with some other card remain on the main list than that is where this card should go as well.

jjt111
08-01-2007, 11:51 PM
The Terry Taylor card wasn't a one and done. It was more like the blank front cards, caught after many were releast. My opinion this card is much like the 1993 Donruss Elite card with the foot locker back that is in the oddball section. But if there is more then one then I agree with you. This isn't a blem or over print card. The card can be graded just as a Terry Taylor card was. But then I was willing to give the guy 25 for it and was brushed off, so what do I know.

freddie
08-02-2007, 12:01 AM
We don't know if there is only 1. How do we know there are more than 1 or 2 of all of the other oddball printing error cards that are on the list, cards that only you or Akar have listed? This seems a lot like the 92' Bowman Keith Hernandez/Gary Clark card. The way cards are printed on sheets, it seems strange that a single card would be printed like this.

knr47
08-02-2007, 12:45 AM
I can definitely see Jonas' point here, as I doubt we will see another copy of this card. However, if the card is going to be added, I would put it on the main list for two reasons: 1) We know from the seller's listing that this error exists for other players, and so if Juan appeared more than once on the printing sheet, then more than 1 copy probably does exist; and 2) We know that it was distributed in a pack. I don't know anything about that Foot Locker card, but unless someone saw it pulled, I believe there should be a reasonable amount of doubt about its origins and legitimacy. That doubt, plus the card's general weirdness, keeps the Foot Locker card in a totally unique category for me.

nosterbor
08-02-2007, 02:55 AM
Roberto! welcome to the greatest Juan Gonzalez collectors site on earth! Freddy has done an outstanding job here. also Mike and Jonas for uploading photos of cards as well. welcome,welcome,welcome

nosterbor
08-02-2007, 02:57 AM
i think all error cards should be listed on the main list as they are as unique as a 1/1.

freddie
08-02-2007, 04:58 AM
That foot locker card is just a coupon from Foot Locker, definitely an Oddball item.

IgorRulez
08-04-2007, 10:45 PM
I recently acquired this if you want to add it to the list it's a 1998 Donruss signature card with the 1999 Sportsfest Stamp on it I got it from an ebay auction.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n111/zoesdad04/Personal%20Collection%20NFT/juansportsfeststamp.jpg

freddie
08-04-2007, 11:02 PM
We're not adding cards that are stamped or embossed at shows.

IgorRulez
08-04-2007, 11:10 PM
ok sounds fair just wanted to place it out there just incase. I buy anything I don't have and since I didn't have it and haven't seen it thought someone else might be interested in knowing it was out there.

Gonzaleznut
08-05-2007, 12:40 AM
How often do you buy Juan cards, IgorRulz??

Have you added your entire collection to the site?

knr47
08-09-2007, 10:40 PM
Do we need to add a 1993 Topps Black Gold C/D Winner Error to the list? I have a copy that pictures the cards from the A/B group instead of the C/D group, and I noticed that the current picture for the C/D Winner shows the same error.

freddie
08-09-2007, 10:43 PM
Do we need to add a 1993 Topps Black Gold C/D Winner Error to the list? I have a copy that pictures the cards from the A/B group instead of the C/D group, and I noticed that the current picture for the C/D Winner shows the same error.
You're right, we have the error card pictured!

freddie
08-09-2007, 10:45 PM
You're right, we have the error card pictured!
I created the new card and moved this picture over. Those who marked the C/D Winner card need to update their quantities appropriately.

akar
08-09-2007, 11:32 PM
My CD Winner card is also an error.
You should consider the possibility that both the C Winner and the CD Winner were both uncorrected errors.

There are no pictures of the corrected versions on here.
They may not exist.
And people that think they have them may not have examined them closely.
I never bothered to look closely at the CD Winner until now.

So maybe you can convince someone to post some scans of both the C Winner and the CD Winner.
And if no one out of all these major Juan collectors has one, then we could probably assume there was never a correction issued.

freddie
08-09-2007, 11:34 PM
My CD Winner card is also an error.
You should consider the possibility that both the C Winner and the CD Winner were both uncorrected errors.

There are no pictures of the corrected versions on here.
They may not exist.
And people that think they have them may not have examined them closely.
I never bothered to look closely at the CD Winner until now.

So maybe you can convince someone to post some scans of both the C Winner and the CD Winner.
And if no one out of all these major Juan collectors has one, then we could probably assume there was never a correction issued.
Yes, that has occurred to me. If Rob has the same error then we'll just remove the error cards and mark the normal card as UER.

nosterbor
08-10-2007, 06:55 AM
Yes, that has occurred to me. If Rob has the same error then we'll just remove the error cards and mark the normal card as UER.
i only have the error.

freddie
08-10-2007, 02:06 PM
I've removed the error cards and updated the normal cards to have an UER designation.

freddie
08-10-2007, 03:40 PM
2725 sent me his list, where he has both the normal and error versions of the C and C/D cards. He also correctly notes that error cards are picturing the National League players.

akar
08-10-2007, 05:57 PM
I also used to have a C Winner and C Winner Error on my list.
But I have never actually seen the C Winner with the correct players.
Maybe Dan can scan it for you.

Thinking about it, it doesn't seem likely for a company to issue a correction for a redemption card error. They aren't expecting people to keep or collect them. They only expect you to have them a short time until you mail it in.

freddie
08-10-2007, 05:59 PM
I also used to have a C Winner and C Winner Error on my list.
But I have never actually seen the C Winner with the correct players.
Maybe Dan can scan it for you.

Thinking about it, it doesn't seem likely for a company to issue a correction for a redemption card error. They aren't expecting people to keep or collect them. They only expect you to have them a short time until you mail it in.
He has them on his list as having them, I'll ask him about them when I am done going through his list and entering it for him.

jjt111
08-10-2007, 09:51 PM
Is Dan(2725) allowing you to make his collection public? I would love to see what he has added over the years.

freddie
08-10-2007, 10:00 PM
Is Dan(2725) allowing you to make his collection public? I would love to see what he has added over the years.
I believe so.

knr47
08-13-2007, 09:33 PM
Does anybody have a 2002 Topps Home Team Advantage #340 card? I don't have it anymore, but I once had an '02 HTA factory set and thought every card in it was stamped. It might be one that we should hunt and/or add.

jjt111
08-13-2007, 10:29 PM
Beckett has it listed so I added it to the list.

Gonzaleznut
08-13-2007, 10:29 PM
Does anybody have a 2002 Topps Home Team Advantage #340 card? I don't have it anymore, but I once had an '02 HTA factory set and thought every card in it was stamped. It might be one that we should hunt and/or add.

See page 1 of the "Cards that do not exist" thread. I actually have the set. All of the foil cards in the set are missing the stamp and are identical to their regular counterparts. That is why I had deleted it several weeks ago, but now it seems Jonas has added it back in. Should it stay or should it go??

freddie
08-13-2007, 10:40 PM
See page 1 of the "Cards that do not exist" thread. I actually have the set. All of the foil cards in the set are missing the stamp and are identical to their regular counterparts. That is why I had deleted it several weeks ago, but now it seems Jonas has added it back in. Should it stay or should it go??
If there is no way to differentiate the cards than it doesn't belong.

Gonzaleznut
08-13-2007, 10:50 PM
If there is no way to differentiate the cards than it doesn't belong.

I agree.

knr47
08-13-2007, 11:19 PM
It should be taken off. Sorry I asked.

jjt111
08-14-2007, 12:43 AM
I wonder how those Beckett dealers that have them for sale know what they got? But without anyone having one you can't argue the fact that it exists. I only added it from what I read on Beckett. Didn't realize it was one that was removed. Kyle, you trying to get me in trouble! Just busting on you.

jjt111
08-14-2007, 12:46 AM
If those 3 that are on sale at beckett are still there in September, I'll buy them to bust on those dealers! They are more money then the regular card........ those bastards!

jjt111
08-14-2007, 01:19 AM
Couldn't wait! Same dealer so this should be interesting.

2002 Topps #340 Boone/J.Gonz/A.Rod LL 100 $0.50
2002 Topps Home Team Advantage #340 Boone/J.Gonz/A.Rod LL 100 $1.00

Item Total: $1.50

Gonzaleznut
08-14-2007, 02:30 AM
I wonder how those Beckett dealers that have them for sale know what they got? But without anyone having one you can't argue the fact that it exists. I only added it from what I read on Beckett. Didn't realize it was one that was removed. Kyle, you trying to get me in trouble! Just busting on you.

I DO have it! I bought the sealed set and cracked it open to sell the singles. I am telling you...it is the same as the regular card.

gonzologan
08-17-2007, 07:15 AM
i was looking through my stuff and i found a fotoball with 1995 stats on it but i dont see it on your list is this going to be added? cause i did see the 1997 fotoball i dont have a ditital camera so i cant snap a pic of it sorry

Gonzaleznut
08-17-2007, 12:02 PM
i was looking through my stuff and i found a fotoball with 1995 stats on it but i dont see it on your list is this going to be added? cause i did see the 1997 fotoball i dont have a ditital camera so i cant snap a pic of it sorry

Do you know what year it was released and who manufactured it?

gonzologan
08-17-2007, 05:53 PM
im guessing its a 1996 cause it has 95 stats on it and it has the brand name fotoball on it theres a diamond with juans head in it and his name on the bottom of the diamond thats about all i can tell ya

Tony
aka
gonzologan

freddie
08-17-2007, 08:34 PM
I'll add it, get a picture when you can.

jjt111
08-19-2007, 03:05 AM
Whats the chance of getting this added?





Just thought you would need a laugh!

nosterbor
08-19-2007, 03:26 AM
great now i have to find the coupe! the wagon is in the ditch.

Gonzaleznut
08-19-2007, 03:26 AM
Whats the chance of getting this added?
Just thought you would need a laugh!

I literally just picked myself off the floor from laughing so hard. That was great Jonas!!

jjt111
08-19-2007, 03:52 AM
Mike,

Your non - Crayola card looks to have same type autograph as this one. Which I think is 1998?

nosterbor
08-19-2007, 04:16 AM
can you please add this 97 ud3 card on left is correct version with silver photo.the one on the right has a platinum photo.thanks,rob.

Gonzaleznut
08-19-2007, 04:45 AM
can you please add this 97 ud3 card on left is correct version with silver photo.the one on the right has a platinum photo.thanks,rob.

Rob, I love you man, but you have got to stop. A true variation of a card is not when a photo looks a little funny or a hologram was "accidentally" printed a few millimeters out of place. Next thing you know I will want the variation of the 2000 topps card with a slight coffee stain in the right corner added.

I just think we need to distinguish between a printing error or legit printing variation and a printing defect.

Thoughts??

Gonzaleznut
08-19-2007, 04:49 AM
Mike,

Your non - Crayola card looks to have same type autograph as this one. Which I think is 1998?

Where is that 1998 Rangers card listed by the way?

nosterbor
08-19-2007, 06:25 AM
:rolleyes:Rob, I love you man, but you have got to stop. A true variation of a card is not when a photo looks a little funny or a hologram was "accidentally" printed a few millimeters out of place. Next thing you know I will want the variation of the 2000 topps card with a slight coffee stain in the right corner added.

I just think we need to distinguish between a printing error or legit printing variation and a printing defect. i have 22 silver and 11 platinum you tell me! look at the pics. now look at the 96 leaf bronze and gold pics coffee stain also? i know the bronze was under the oil leakin pinto!

Thoughts??

nosterbor
08-19-2007, 06:42 AM
what card has the pinto oil stain? does one of these look gold to you? a variation or a coffee stain? come on!!!!! 22to11 thats a 2 to 1 ratio. tell you what, how about a 3rd opinion i will send Jonas of each let him be the judge. i could spot a 93 refractor from across the room!!! and thats all i have to say about that!

nosterbor
08-19-2007, 07:42 AM
Rob, I love you man, but you have got to stop. A true variation of a card is not when a photo looks a little funny or a hologram was "accidentally" printed a few millimeters out of place. Next thing you know I will want the variation of the 2000 topps card with a slight coffee stain in the right corner added.

I just think we need to distinguish between a printing error or legit printing variation and a printing defect.

Thoughts?? no You will want the coffee MUG! open mouth insert foot!

adelith
08-19-2007, 11:26 AM
Welcome Roberto, are you going to grace our forum by listing your mighty collection? We need more competition for the top spot.

Hello Freddie:

I would love to, but I just don't know how to do it. Any help on this matter will be highly appreciated.

I want to congratulate all the participants and fellow Juan Gonzalez collectors. Also I want to apologize with all of you for the outbids in some of the auctions, I hope you understand me. I do not buy duplicates, but with the memorabilia cards, I don't consider a duplicate, a piece of jersey if it is a different color from the ones I have. Anyway here I am and I appreciate any comments or critics you desire to share with me, sincerely!

adelith
08-19-2007, 11:38 AM
I've like 5 or 6 different Fotoballs with Juan picture on them.

jjt111
08-19-2007, 05:29 PM
Click on the "collect" tab
Pick a year you would like to start adding cards.
By the "Juan Gonzalez cards" there is an "edit" link you will need to click on.
Then select card and click in the "+" twice for every card that you have of it.
Then move to the next one.

Hope this helps somewhat,
Jonas

jjt111
08-19-2007, 05:35 PM
We don't get upset when we are outbid on any card. Dissappointed, I'm sure as we all want cards at what we set as our limit. You will never lose a friend here because of out bidding us on a card that will go into a Gonzalez collection other then our own.

Jonas

Gonzaleznut
08-19-2007, 11:44 PM
We don't get upset when we are outbid on any card. Dissappointed, I'm sure as we all want cards at what we set as our limit. You will never lose a friend here because of out bidding us on a card that will go into a Gonzalez collection other then our own.

Jonas


Amen Jonas...well said.

adelith
08-22-2007, 03:00 PM
Thank you very much for your help. I already start including my collection on the site, but this process will take hours for sure!!!

jjt111
08-22-2007, 11:22 PM
Take your time, I like seeing your name under mine. I expect it will be short lived ;)

gonzologan
06-30-2009, 11:54 PM
ok if we are adding cards without the foil or stamp how come i cant have this one on the list i have it in my possesion but you guys said no like i said its cool yeah but its not really legit

have any of you guys seen this one? i know its a printing error but not sure if anyone has one




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nosterbor
07-01-2009, 01:56 AM
that should be listed as a no foil, wish i had it!:( very nice!:cool:

nosterbor
07-01-2009, 01:57 AM
ok if we are adding cards without the foil or stamp how come i cant have this one on the list i have it in my possesion but you guys said no like i said its cool yeah but its not really legitwhy is it not legit????

adelith
07-01-2009, 10:06 AM
I agree, in all Rob's statement! ;)

that should be listed as a no foil, wish i had it!:( very nice!:cool:

adelith
07-01-2009, 02:39 PM
How about add this one to the list??? :)

1- #41 2002 Playoff Piece of the Game Materials Bat Sample Front.
2- #41 2002 Playoff Piece of the Game Materials Bat Sample Back.

gonzologan
07-02-2009, 01:13 AM
because its just a printing error i mean i know its legit but it wasnt intednd to happenwhy is it not legit????

gonzologan
07-02-2009, 01:17 AM
thanks rob i also have a griffey jr one too so thats pretty coolthat should be listed as a no foil, wish i had it!:( very nice!:cool:

adelith
07-02-2009, 09:59 AM
I believe the following card http://www.juangone.com/pictures.php?cardid=3955, is numbered to 25, not to 19. Please verify and correct it.

How about add this one to the list??? :)

1- #41 2002 Playoff Piece of the Game Materials Bat Sample Front.

2- #41 2002 Playoff Piece of the Game Materials Bat Sample Back.

Gonzaleznut
07-02-2009, 01:43 PM
Card and pics added.

How about add this one to the list??? :)

1- #41 2002 Playoff Piece of the Game Materials Bat Sample Front.

2- #41 2002 Playoff Piece of the Game Materials Bat Sample Back.

Gonzaleznut
07-02-2009, 01:43 PM
Corrected.

I believe the following card http://www.juangone.com/pictures.php?cardid=3955, is numbered to 25, not to 19. Please verify and correct it.

nosterbor
07-02-2009, 04:27 PM
ok if we are adding cards without the foil or stamp how come i cant have this one on the list i have it in my possesion but you guys said no like i said its cool yeah but its not really legitMike please add this card.

nosterbor
07-02-2009, 04:33 PM
this card 94 no foil.thank you Rob

nosterbor
07-02-2009, 04:42 PM
never mind!

gonzologan
07-06-2009, 03:18 AM
it was already added i already added it to my collection but thanks rob
this card 94 no foil.thank you Rob