Freddie,
I know you have mentioned creating an Oddball section for items that don't seem to belong on the list, and I have an idea about an easy way to do that, maybe. How about adding a "Miscellaneous" section to the list like it was another year? Then, we could move all the magnets, pins, posters, photographs, action figures, lunchboxes, etc. to that page and leave the 1987-2006 pages for just the mainstream, error, and promo cards. This way, the items under Miscellaneous would still count toward someone's total, but we could also see how many non-cards are part of someone's total. I think it would also curb the number of debates about whether items should be added to the list -- if it is not exactly a card, then it goes under Miscellaneous. I'm sure there are some negatives to this plan that I haven't thought of yet, but what do you think?

I think I can make that work. Would just have to move the item's "Year" into the title fields as the actual Year as far as the list is concerned would be "Miscellaneous".

I'll see what I can do on Monday. With this, we wouldn't have as nearly as much disagreement as anything with Juan on it could just be stuck on the Misc list.

We could even have more than one Misc list if we want to define it even further. Any thoughts on that?

We could have a section just for other player's card that Juan appears on. What is the most of these that someone has?

The 1991 Star Co. The Future
 

We have all cards listed of course as they should be. But really they are not numbered to 1000 but they came in a set numbered to 1000, like the one I just scanned. I'm not saying the set should be entered as an addition. But somehow I think the scan should be added as I'm sure some collectors keep them in their original bag. Plus they know what they are looking at if they see it.

Those used to be listed as a set and I would have no problem moving them back to being listed as set, with it including pictures of each card and the above picture.

I only have two cards that Juan appears in the picture of someone elses card.

But card errors is a section that might be of interest if it is a one and done not like the blank face cards that they made several of. But like the error card that is on ebay now. I doubt there is another the same way. As well as that Footlocker card of old that there has never been another exposed.

What is the link to eBay for the error card?

I think it would be hard to draw the line between a certain type of error cards. How would we differentiate between an "error" card and a "variation" card?

Jonas, there are several error cards that only you or Akar has and have never been seen again. I had a few that I was the only one here who had, the 1998 Crown Royale Home Run Fever No Coating for example.

Personally, I would keep error and variation cards on the main list.

the so called error card that is on ebay now is nothing of the sort. that card goes into the cat,of miss cuts,and over lap print cards.i opened a box of 90 fleer one time and all the cards in the box were cut sideways. i tossed them in the trash can!!!!!!!! this card is nothing more. not even in the same cat as a plank front-plank-back,wrong-front,wrong-back these are true errors. also if a card did not come out of a pack or a box or as a redemption it does not belong on this list at all. i.e the pins the book marks and such. come on the apba things dont even have his photo on it! its not a baseball card!!! its called baseball card collecting!

Well, we will soon have an oddball section on the list and I expect many of the things like APBA will be moved over there. It will make it easier for one to archive 100% for a particular year.

outstanding!!!!!! awesome!!!!!!!!!

Ok...here is one man's opinion. The only items that should be on THE Juan Gonzalez list are cards or items issued by the baseball card manufacturers. If it was printed by them, then it sould be there...that is it...period. ALL other Juan items should be listed in the "Miscellaneous" category.

I think there will always be debate about which items are legit and which are not. I actually believe that to be a healthy part of collecting, but I consider this to be the definitive source for all things Juan. It is important that we deliniate between the "pure" Juan items and the "fringe" items.

Ok, now back to the Star - The Future set. If they are listed as they came in a set that would also mean the 1994 Sampler cards that came in a set of three of the same player and also the 1998 Pinnacle Inside Stand up guy samples that came in a bag of two cards. Maybe just a notation needs to be added of some sort.?!

I think these should stay listed as individual cards, since some sets were broken up and someone might only have one card instead of the whole set. A notation about how they were packaged is a good idea, though, and would be enough help for anyone confused, IMO.

I would too, but I agree with Rob that miscut cards are not true errors -- just cards in poor condition.

If an Oddball/Miscellaneous section is possible, we are still going to need some rules about what should be listed. I think this is partly what Rob is saying in his "things!" post in Chit Chat. If we don't limit additions to commercially produced collectibles and advertisements, we'll end up listing things like a tee shirt that some Puerto Rican kid wrote the #19 on in magic marker.

I also think that, like with the error cards, there will be controversy about whether some of the things currently on the main list should be moved to Oddball/Miscellaneous. For what it's worth, here is what I think should be done with some of the various items:

Errors and variations: Main List
Other players' cards with a Juan cameo: Oddball
ABPA, Strat-O-Matic, cards with no picture: Oddball
Press plates inserted into packs/cases: Main List
Press plates not inserted into packs/cases: Oddball
Stickers like Red Foley and Panini: Main List
Pins, magnets, posters: Oddball
Signed 1975 Pinto Wagons: Main List
Display items like the '99 Stadium Club Photograph, '01 Fleer Legacy Autographed Cap, and '02 Absolute Game Used Bonus: Oddball

The last group was the toughest decision for me. Since none of them are cards, I put them under Oddball; but since major card manufacturers made them available from packs, boxes, and/or redemption cards, I could see them belonging on the Main List too.

Now I got to go to Ebay motors to look for that pinto! The last group will get harder when you bring in the highland mint cards, tins and cans. But I agree if it needs a shelf or wall it's not a card. But then you have the coins and some have a card made just to hold the coin. That's tough! Those I'm undecided on as well as the back door press plates. The rest, I agree on.

I agree with points that everyone has made. Let's make it even simpler. If it can:

1. Fit in a binder (i.e. regular cards, 4x6 - 8x10s, coins, etc) and
2. Issued/printed by a legit card company

then it should be on the main list. Everything else constitutes as memorabilia and should be relegated to the "Miscellaneous" list. I hate to not have the Pinnacle cans, Donruss Tin Packs & Boxes, etc. on the main list, but we have to draw the line somewhere.

cans and tins are not baseball cards and belong on the odd ball list. as for the pinnacle mint coins they go inside the reg cards and were inclueded in packs they belong on the list. any starting lineup that has a card goes on the list,and any pin that has a card in the package!! should be on the list. case in point action flats.the highland mint is a card!!! i hope you would not put an 04 sp all star patch in a binder AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

This sounds great to me -- very simple yet very functional. I suppose that it does allow backdoor press plates onto the main list, but I don't really have a problem with that. Theoretically, every card ever made does have a set of press plates, but they don't seem to be showing up in the market at a rate that is too hard to keep up with. I would also keep the Highland Mint cards on the main list.

Works for me.

What about

1987
1988
1989
1990
1991
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
Oddball

OR

1987
1987 Odball
1988
1988 Odball
1989
1989 Oddball
1990
1990 Odball
1991

(and so on....)

i would keep the odd ball list totaly sept.

First version.

I agree...... I doubt it will get in the 1000's so one page should be enough.

im not sure what i have here it says carlos baerga celebrities softball game san juan, PR 1998



Attachment 403

have any of you guys seen this one? i know its a printing error but not sure if anyone has one




Attachment 404

I was aware that they had the game in San Juan but wasn't aware that they had a stamp made up.

I don't have that printing error.

Bring up a good question about stamped cards. I never collected stamped cards as they were regular cards that someone brought or bought out of a package and then got stamped. Now 2001 - 2003 were made just for the shows and they are main stream cards. But should the others be treated as oddball cards or not listed at all like a personally signed card?

I wouldn't list stamped cards at all, nor the stadium club printing error above.

I agree with Freddie.

I agree. But remember collectors, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be a prized part of your collection. I have some errors and such that are on my list along with autographed cards in my collection (the whole 91 rookie guild set - 11 cards autographed) that I prize but don't belong on this list!
Jonas

i also have this auto poster is this going to go in the oddball list if so i would like to know what year it is ebay# 330151941251

Thanks
Tony
aka
gonzologan

I'm not sure what to call it or what year it was released.

Juan's name on a 2001 Upper Deck hockey player's card
 

I bought it, is kind of interesting card.

Welcome Roberto, are you going to grace our forum by listing your mighty collection? We need more competition for the top spot.

I had made an offer for just the Gonzalez card but it was declined automaticly but I certainly think the card needs to be listed in the oddball stuff as I'm sure it wasn't ran in production of any quantity.

Glad it ended up with a Juan collector.

We don't have any printing error type cards in the oddball section. If the terry taylor type card, or the card that is overprinted with some other card remain on the main list than that is where this card should go as well.

The Terry Taylor card wasn't a one and done. It was more like the blank front cards, caught after many were releast. My opinion this card is much like the 1993 Donruss Elite card with the foot locker back that is in the oddball section. But if there is more then one then I agree with you. This isn't a blem or over print card. The card can be graded just as a Terry Taylor card was. But then I was willing to give the guy 25 for it and was brushed off, so what do I know.

We don't know if there is only 1. How do we know there are more than 1 or 2 of all of the other oddball printing error cards that are on the list, cards that only you or Akar have listed? This seems a lot like the 92' Bowman Keith Hernandez/Gary Clark card. The way cards are printed on sheets, it seems strange that a single card would be printed like this.

I can definitely see Jonas' point here, as I doubt we will see another copy of this card. However, if the card is going to be added, I would put it on the main list for two reasons: 1) We know from the seller's listing that this error exists for other players, and so if Juan appeared more than once on the printing sheet, then more than 1 copy probably does exist; and 2) We know that it was distributed in a pack. I don't know anything about that Foot Locker card, but unless someone saw it pulled, I believe there should be a reasonable amount of doubt about its origins and legitimacy. That doubt, plus the card's general weirdness, keeps the Foot Locker card in a totally unique category for me.

Roberto! welcome to the greatest Juan Gonzalez collectors site on earth! Freddy has done an outstanding job here. also Mike and Jonas for uploading photos of cards as well. welcome,welcome,welcome

i think all error cards should be listed on the main list as they are as unique as a 1/1.

That foot locker card is just a coupon from Foot Locker, definitely an Oddball item.