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I think everybody is making way to much out of this. It is this simple. This site represents the collecting universe of Juan Gonzalez...not just cards.

We have to be understanding that each of us will not find every Juan item collectible, but that does not mean that they shouldn't be catalogued on this site.

Try to separate what you do personally for your collection from what is done on this site. Someone may only want to track cards or not include "Big" cards, or only game-used cards. The point is each of us looks at our collection through our own unique eyes. How you see an item might be very different than the way someone else does. Who is right and who is wrong? Well, neither is. Each person is entitled to their own opinion.

Now, does a line have to be drawn somewhere as to what is included and what isn't?? Of course and that is what we can debate here, in a forum, and hopefully come to an agreement as a group. But that is part of the fun of collecting isn't it?? Seeing something you have never seen before and discussing it together. Or discovering an item and being excited to share it with everybody. That is the fun stuff to me.

All of this arguing about packing lists and coffee mugs is tiresome and not productive. There has got to be something more fun for us to talk about. I am done on this.